Jadenlea Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 RAWR! Do people mix their tigers the way they mix their crystals and their TBs and their Rilis? I am assuming not but thought Id ask. Ive decided my new tank will be a tiger tank. I have 2 tanks at 6.0ish needing RO water and thought this new tank could be tap and high ph shrimp like Tigers. I will pick a neo to go with them. Any votes on which neos? I already have carbons. I was thinking of going with regular red and blue rilis. I love the rilis and all variety you can get from them. Thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Once my mischlings are producing TBs maybe I can someday do something with tigers and TBs and see what I get. big dreams. This hobby is so addicting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenteam Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 OEBT x Normal Tigers = loss of the orange eyes and you get like a light blue color to normal looking tigers. Honestly that mix is a waste of time since you revert back to normal look and loss of that cool OEBT. OEBT x BTOE you get a light black tiger and darker blue tiger and with some more selective breeding you can get Royals but why do all the work when you can just buy them for cheap now lol. TTxOEBT is a mix I don't know so others might tell you that one. Elo500 and Jadenlea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r45t4m4n Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I'm going to experiment with red tigers x galaxy tiger. Well, not really intentional but they will be in the same tank until I get the galaxy tank up and running. Roborep1 and Jadenlea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGardenofEder Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 What happens when you cross an oebt with a cbs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r45t4m4n Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Tibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGardenofEder Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 What are examples of tibees? Then I cross tibees with tbs to get pintos? examples of tbs are pandas, king kongs, green hulks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty703 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I am keeping Royal Blue Tigers, with my Blue Dreams and Sky Blues. I will be putting OEBTs with Galaxy Tigers in one tank. New plan is to cross a White Bee with a Royal Blue Tiger, see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadenlea Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I bet those will b pretty monty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forumsnow Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I keep female oebt with my royals. I am getting oebt with wider stripes, also very few blondes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 "Do people mix their tigers the way they mix their crystals and their TBs and their Rilis?" People don't cross rilis. The only reason they are occasionally keep in the tank is because they won't breed with the other shrimp. If you cross rili x diff color rili, the colors don't look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadenlea Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I had the red and blue rili in the same tank and got interesting combinations. Guess I must have done it wrong without knowing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Well ya got me there. Red and blue rili are the exception since they both came from the same source. Jadenlea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadenlea Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 what did the yellow rili you found come from? and where do the orange ones come from? I know the carbons come from chocolates ..or so Ive heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Theory is that carbons came from chocolates. Orange rili is from orange, and yellow rili is orange rili with not enough pigment that sellers sell as "yellow." Extremely few real yellow rili have popped up from yellows, and so far I don't know of a real strain. I have some that popped up in my new yellow strain I'm going to try my hand at making into a rili strain. The major challenge is that many yellows are very light in color, so that mixed with rili would just look like an uneven shrimp you would cull. I'm trying to mix some of the authentic yellow rilis with my Sunshine strain to make the yellow bold enough to see that they actually are rili and have clear separation of color. Jadenlea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty703 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 That makes sense. In bettas your first color is red, then orange then yellow. So you breed a red to an orange and get 75% red and 25% orange, then orange to orange you get red, and orange and some yellow, orange to yellow you get mostly yellow and a few orange. The color gets diluted more as each generation comes along, so after a few generations your yellows will probably all be yellow, some deeper than others. Now for the chocolates, Im not sure why blue comes out....any theories on that? Is the chocolate maybe black, carrying a blue gene? Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'd not heard of those color theories with shrimp. It makes full sense in theory though. Problem is most times red x yellow = wild To confuse matters more I once had a red x yellow cross give reds and yellows and wild, but no orange. I think shrimp colors (even the same color) may reside at different loci, which is why one cherry cross may yield something different than a replication that yields something else. Unfortunately, shrimpers so far are not as serious about color genes yet than other people in different hobbies. Heck, herpers often figure out colors all the way down to different types of anery (Anery "A", Anery "B".) (Ie. cornsnake, geckos) Same with mammal folks (Ie. mouse, rabbits), and fish folks (Ie. guppies, bettas) This is sorely lacking in shrimp and very frustrating as a hobby breeder. The only thing I have been able to do is by observation. I'm sure some chocos carry a blue gene. However since they throw everything else under teh sun, they carry lots of genes that intercombine as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadenlea Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 what happens with red tigers and blue tigers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty703 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 I can't speak from experience crossing reds with oebts, but I did cross a red with a tangerine. This resulted in a hybrid that I eventually nicknamed Bengals. The first generation produced a lighter colored tangerine with reddish stripes, then the next generation the stripes were black and spots were black. The 3rd generation they were deep orange with defined black stripes and spots and bred true in the next generation. I think in the first generation you get the hybrid, then it gets more defined in each generation so by the time you've got about 4-5 generations you have solidified the genetics to a certain degree. Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 I remember you posting pics of those monty. Would you do that again please? AT some point I'd love to replicate your Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty703 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Here is the old pics I had of them. Red Tiger x TT ....this was the 2nd generation of them. adrand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty703 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 here's the difference in the Tangerine Tigers pic. These are not mine, just reference ones. You can see that the TT does have spots on the bottom but not much in the way of stripes on the top, whereas my Bengals have defined black and white stripes...and they did have black spots, but very hard to see them on these photos. The spots were sort of at the end of each stripe...ending in a dot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadenlea Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 very neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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