brunoboy650 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 anyone here able to do it? Im Just curious to know since I want to Run Inert Black sand and nothing but drift wood and moss in my tank. I will be using RO remineralized but I am not sure if it is possible to raise CRS without an active substrate. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty703 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 don't know about breeding them, but I am keeping my spotted head pinto mischlings and fancy red titaibees in a bare bottom tank with just moss and chollawood and they are doing just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr0p Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 It can be done, you may need to have a bit of super peat in your filter to buffer things down a little, but thats no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETAquarium Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Can it be done, of course. But it is the difference between a shrimp living and a shrimp thriving. The two primary keys to success I always tell people about keeping Caridina with the exception of Tiger species is that you need RODI water and a Active Substrate if you want to keep and breed them successfully. Unless its impossible for your to acquire active substrate then do you and your shrimp a favor and go the safe route and purchase the active substrate. It will definitely be worth it! gillznglass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoboy650 Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Hmm it was a toss up between OEBT and CRS. Can OEBT survive the way I described? I do have about 40lbs of organic peat moss still sitting in my yard...lol. If I do get substrate, how long does it last and how much would I need for 40 gallon breeder ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wygglz Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I keep OEBT on sand. They can be kept in Neo parameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHe Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 It's very hard to success. IMHO, CRS needs to eat soil directly to help reproducing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoboy650 Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I keep OEBT on sand. They can be kept in Neo parameters. forsure, anything special you've got in your tank? It's very hard to success. IMHO, CRS needs to eat soil directly to help reproducing. ok, i figured as long as the RO stays consistent right? how much substrate do i need for a 40B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimple minded Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 http://www.plantedtank.net/substratecalculator.html Doesn't give an option for ADA or Controsoil, but can give you an idea for your substrate of choice. I used 2 bags of Controsoil in my 40B, but I know others use much less in their shrimp tanks. In this thread: http://www.shrimpspot.com/index.php?/topic/4505-problems-with-controsoil/page-1#entry59252 James mentioned he only uses 3/4 - 1 inch of Controsoil, and it was discussed that using too deep of a buffering substrate can "over-buffer" your water too much, causing low pHs. gillznglass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETAquarium Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 If your keeping OEBT it would be easier to get away with not using an active substrate as the Tiger species water parameters closely resemble Neocaridina species. gillznglass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wygglz Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 No Bruno, I don't have anything special in the OEBT tank. All my Neo and Tiger tanks run off the same sump and have either black or pool sand substrate depending on their color only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHe Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 forsure, anything special you've got in your tank? ok, i figured as long as the RO stays consistent right? how much substrate do i need for a 40B? Just thin layer of active substrate is good enough. as long as it keeps the pH in range. I use 1" of Controsoil for all my bee shrimp tanks. gillznglass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoboy650 Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 http://www.plantedtank.net/substratecalculator.html Doesn't give an option for ADA or Controsoil, but can give you an idea for your substrate of choice. I used 2 bags of Controsoil in my 40B, but I know others use much less in their shrimp tanks. In this thread: http://www.shrimpspot.com/index.php?/topic/4505-problems-with-controsoil/page-1#entry59252 James mentioned he only uses 3/4 - 1 inch of Controsoil, and it was discussed that using too deep of a buffering substrate can "over-buffer" your water too much, causing low pHs. thank you. If your keeping OEBT it would be easier to get away with not using an active substrate as the Tiger species water parameters closely resemble Neocaridina species. oh cool, yea I like the OEBT a lot but my friends think CRS are better and are trying to get me to go that route instead. No one local sells OEBT at all so thats a downside. No Bruno, I don't have anything special in the OEBT tank. All my Neo and Tiger tanks run off the same sump and have either black or pool sand substrate depending on their color only. Thank you. I have a local fish store that sells black sand which i really like. Just thin layer of active substrate is good enough. as long as it keeps the pH in range. I use 1" of Controsoil for all my bee shrimp tanks. oh good, if I did go with Black sand, I can put the active substrate above it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHe Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 thank you. oh cool, yea I like the OEBT a lot but my friends think CRS are better and are trying to get me to go that route instead. No one local sells OEBT at all so thats a downside. Thank you. I have a local fish store that sells black sand which i really like. oh good, if I did go with Black sand, I can put the active substrate above it? It should work, as long as Black sand is truly inert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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