Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Hi all, Recently, I was very busy with many experiments and have not been visiting this forum. So how is everyone? Started last week, I began to perform testing on my new probiotics blend. This probiotics blend was already used in my existing tanks for awhile but it is pretty hard to tell it's result (other than water clarity is crystal clear and shrimps and fish love to eat it). As such, I decided to perform a controlled environment test by setting the test condition to the extreme. This includes using pico-size tank to keep sensitive shrimps with inadequate life-support system and introduce shrimps into the tank after 3 days of cycling. The tank has been running for 7 days and the results are looking promising. You may find my daily journal entry in my blog and the URLs are: Day 0 Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7 Hope these information are useful to you. Cheers. Shrimpy Daddy Desireenfh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Great experiment! Shrimps in four days, huh? Sounds pretty awesome but all that dosing might be too much for me to handle... Also, not saying that it is easy, but if you replicated the entire setup and procedure on another tank without adding the probiotics, I think that would be an even better experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Are you referring to the tank setting up dosing or daily dosing? "but if you replicated the entire setup and procedure on another tank without adding the probiotics," <--- I have done this years before. That's why to me, it is apple to apple comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I was referring to the daily dosing. You've been adding shrimps without cycling the tanks? How were the results? I mean, if you had good results doing it that way, then why are you experimenting with the probiotics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 The daily nutrients dosing is because I am using inert substrate. The reason for inert substrate is I wanted to keep the environment controlled so that nothing will interfere with the test result. As for the daily probiotic dosing, I am adding it as their food source. Isn't it normal to feed you shrimp daily? Or you don't feed your shrimps that often? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I see. Aqua soil is just easier for me but I definitely understand your reasoning. By the way, I just wanted to mention, since you talked about shrimps dying after the soil loses its nutrients, that I think most Taiwanese breeders just clean everything out and set up with new soil every year or so and just keep rotating tanks like that. You've got a point on feeding. I do add a bit of powdered food to some of my tanks daily, or at least I try to, haha. So have you been not very successful getting shrimps to acclimate to uncycled tanks and thus want to see if probiotics will help? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 "I just wanted to mention, since you talked about shrimps dying after the soil loses its nutrients, that I think most Taiwanese breeders just clean everything out and set up with new soil every year or so and just keep rotating tanks like that." <---- That's a waste of money and time. With proper care, the nutrients will recharge back. All my tanks (10 + 1) never revamped, unless I am changing a new tank and cabinet/rack. "So have you been not very successful getting shrimps to acclimate to uncycled tanks and thus want to see if probiotics will help?" <--- The experiment is for finding out the probiotic can remove toxin as effective or better than usual nitrogen-fixing bacteria, which is why I put the shrimps in on the 4th day, where the usual nitrogen-fixing bacteria (nitrosoma and nitrobacter) will take at least 2 to 3 weeks to establish the colony (with proper seeding). The reason for the relatively more sensitive shrimp ("No Entry" sign Hinomaru Panda KK) in the tank is to prove that there are no toxic and the environment is conducive for their survival even with lowest tech equipment. In addition, I am trying to find out whether the probiotics can be served as their main diet, which is clean live food, instead of traditional shrimp foods that can be water polluting at times. miwu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibikaie Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Been following with interest Do you know what microbes are in the probiotics you are using? I just ask because I'm curious. I use a powdered "sludge remover" made by Microbe-Lift for ponds, and I really wish I knew what was in it. I also admit that I am not certain that I could keep up with your methods. I agree that throwing out the substrate once a year is wasteful. But I'm not very good at strict schedules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Been following with interest Do you know what microbes are in the probiotics you are using? I just ask because I'm curious. I use a powdered "sludge remover" made by Microbe-Lift for ponds, and I really wish I knew what was in it. I also admit that I am not certain that I could keep up with your methods. I agree that throwing out the substrate once a year is wasteful. But I'm not very good at strict schedules! I know what are in the blend. However, when comes to bacteria, under the same scientific name, it still have the strand code. Strand code will never be listed as it is trade-secret, except when they are used for medical usage. Actually strict schedule is not that bad. Just think of feeding/dosing them is like you are feeding food to dogs or cats. LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibikaie Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ah, I see! So what species? Still just curious. I like to know these things even if they are functionally useless knowledge. See, my rabbits wake me up in the morning to be fed, and they badger me when I come in at night for more food. They can't be ignored! I know, I just have to get into the habit of feeding everyone at the same time. I am trying to not overfeed my crays, though, since I am pretty sure I used to overfeed my shrimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 It's a very long list and I have to search for it. LOL!!! Not like those dry shrimp-specialty bacteria powder that has only three or four types. " I am trying to not overfeed my crays, though, since I am pretty sure I used to overfeed my shrimp. " <--- This is also the reason why I am trying to test whether the bacteria can keep them full and potentially remove over-feeding issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETAquarium Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Fantastic experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I posted some pictures of my shrimps used for this experiment in my blog. If you love shrimp pictures, you may want to take a look at these cute little guys: http://www.shrimpydaddy.com/2014/09/experimenting-new-probiotics-blend-day.html Cheers. Shrimpy Daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamashack Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 This is very interesting! Can I ask what the ammonia source is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 This is very interesting! Can I ask what the ammonia source is? Hi Mamashack, Which ammonia source are you referring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamashack Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Sorry I wasn't clear - I mean the ammonia that it starting the cycle. It's ammonia that is converted to nitrite and then nitrite is converted to nitrate so where is the initial ammonia coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I put powder food in the bottom and top layer of the substrate for decay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamashack Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I put powder food in the bottom and top layer of the substrate for decay. Thanks - I've got it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Hi all, I just posted a major journal entry and it includes second test on the probiotics in alkaline water: http://www.shrimpydaddy.com/2014/09/experimenting-new-probiotics-blend-day_21.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibikaie Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Pretty cool. Is there any way to measure the pH in the substrate to make sure it's within range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Yes, insert a syringe with needle into the substrate and suck out enough water for pH probe to measure; need to suck multiple places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Hi all, I have started a third test on the probiotic blend. This time, I am using the "notorious" ADA Amazonia Aquasoil that leeches ammonium (not ammonia). Hopefully, I can cycle it within a week or so. You can find my daily update from my blog and below are the entries for the first two days: Day 1 Day 2 Cheers. Shrimpy Daddy countryboy12484 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Hello everyone!!! I have posted an update on all my 3 test tanks last night. You can find it on my blog and this is the URL: http://www.shrimpydaddy.com/2014/10/probiotics-saga-extreme-limit-day-5.html Cheers. Shrimpy Daddy Desireenfh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted October 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Hello everyone!!! Today is "The Day" (Day 7) and I have put shrimps into the revamped tank that is using ADA Amazonia Aquasoil. I have posted the update on my blog and you can find it here: http://www.shrimpydaddy.com/2014/10/probiotics-saga-extreme-limit-day-7-day.html Cheers. Shrimpy Daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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