Izzy_here Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Very concerned that a gh/kh of 13 is too high for neos. That translates as roughly 240-250 ppm. Still waiting on tds pen & other tests, so other params are still unknown. Same readings for straight out of the tap, and my tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMG Aquatics Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 That is really really high. Your PH would be most likely way too high for neos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Ph has tested 7.5ish straight out of the tap in the past. But that was at least a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMG Aquatics Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 You should test again because I can't find it possible to have 7.5 PH when your KH is 13. You should be around 8.5 PH + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 And the upper range for Neo's is eight. I would think that I should be able to lower it that much with ial. Kh for Neo's should be 0 to 10. GH should be 4 to 14. I'm not that far off on parameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Very seriously considering some sort of water filter, possibly ro/di. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cindygao0217 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 It is possibly my ph is 7.4 And my kh is 24 and gh is in the 40 range for my tap water until I start using ro water but kh of 13 is too high for neo. I recommend you to get ro water system or buy ro water or distill water from store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMG Aquatics Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 And the upper range for Neo's is eight. I would think that I should be able to lower it that much with ial. Kh for Neo's should be 0 to 10. GH should be 4 to 14. I'm not that far off on parameters. The higher the KH, the harder it is to adjust PH. Soothing Shrimp and manticore 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 That is true, even a half a point might be impossible. I'm going to try a Culligan hf-360, my brother is going to purchase one. I am going to test the results. Once upon a time I took that same filter, I fitted it with hoses/brass fittings, and used it to filter tap water for use in a reef tank. And then later, used that same filter to prepare the water for my very first attempt at Neo's. That was five years ago, a long time. And I never did test the water back then. The shrimp did well, I just got out of the hobby. If the results of the culligan water filter tests are not pleasing, I will be going RO/DI & re-mineralization. Edited to say, all the fittings/hoses on the filter were so I could just attach it to the sink, and then take it right back off when I was done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 This culligan filter may well be the answer for neos, and maybe tigers for me. Although I doubt it will work for bee shrimp parameters. The test results will tell all. Crazyfishlady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Test results on the water filter were NOT pleasing. Didn't budge the gh/kh one little bit. On the upside, nitrates in our water straight from the tap are virtually nonexistent. And tds is only 177. But with the kh so high, it looks like I have ro in my future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roborep1 Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I got one for 50. Seemed reasonable to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Where did you get yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyana Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 My tap only has a kh of 5 but the ph is 8. I added tons of peat to the tank and it didn't lower ph at all. With kh 13 I think it would be next to impossible to lower ph with leaves. Controsoil lowers my ph to 6.5, but I switched over to ro water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Agreed, can you tell me where to get an ro unit for $50? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyana Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I don't know about $50 for a whole unit but you can get this one for $63 http://www.purewaterclub.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=95&products_id=246 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Very interesting sidenote here, three days ago I only had a half of an Indian almond leaf in the tank. So I added another half, plus another whole Indian almond leaf. Yesterday, the very next day after adding more leaves, the KH tested at 11. Today it is 10, and I see a lot more activity out of the shrimp. Very active in deed, seriously foraging eating algae wafers, swimming a lot more. I still do not know what the pH is yet, still waiting on that test kit. I am guessing that if the KH is lowered, then pH has been lowered as well. It's funny I wouldn't have thought I could do it with just a few leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 My brother is getting a digital ph pen today, I should be able to test my tank in just a few hours, sweet! Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Another interesting effect of the extra tannins, they seem to be making my plants grow much better, and a terrible nuisance algae that I've been battling is dying faster than it can grow. My rams horn snails & Malaysian trumpet snails already had the algae on the run, but the last few days it all seems to be just falling off of everything and dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_here Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 It's just two leaves, the water is just barely amber/yellow. It's actually sort of pretty. Other parameters are well within limits, TDS is hovering around 250, nitrates barely detectable...will know ph late this afternoon..things are starting to look very good indeed. Probably still going to get ro, I want tigers & bees too. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyana Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Awesome to hear! I'm glad you get good results with the leaves, all kh might not be created equal, I put five leaves in my tank and it didn't do anything. Very cool it seems to help with aglae too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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