Vinman Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I took a red male cull from Blue Diamond culls I bought from Mayphly and put it with a young cherry red female in a 1 gallon glass pickle that I use for java fern tridens cuttings. I love to see what I get in a few months. I also had cherry shrimps in the 30 gallon tank for a few weeks before removing them. I'm now keeping the BD culls in that tank and I'm sure that there are baby cherries in there too. I'm looking to see what happens in the jar. If all goes well I will be putting all my best cherry reds with the BD culls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayMotivated Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Good luck! Your F1 is is going to look wild/brown, but I'm excited to see what you'll get further down in your breeding project Vinman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinman Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I like to see what happens I figure I move the parents out of that jar in another month or so into another jar. This way I know the second set of babies will be sired from the red DB cull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 IMHO you're just starting the whole process over again. BDs came from Chocolates, Chocolates came from PFRs and PFRs came from RCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinman Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 yep so if it is all that easy then why do you get browns if you cross them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 yep so if it is all that easy then why do you get browns if you cross them It's not easy, it tooks years and extensive culling to develop these new variations. I never said you'd get wild type in F1. IMO you'll get RCS and with varying degrees of red. Keep breeding them and eventually you'll get a wild type. Just like most shrimp, culling is required to maintain quality. I've never let a tank just keep breeding without culling and I've also never keep a colour variation more than a year or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 yep so if it is all that easy then why do you get browns if you cross them As in snakes, it all depends where the color is located in the genes. You remember the cross between Rainwater albino leos and Tremper albino Leos will give normals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinman Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Yes those were 2 different albino genes in leopard geckos. The same as T positive and T negative, amel ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinman Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 The fact is the shrimp community has no idea whats going on with the shrimp genetics in the USA . I think there is more than one genetic mutation in the neo's. I'm not talking about variants but out right mutations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I agree 100% That's why I say phenotype is not necessarily genotype. Vinman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiatus Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 It's not easy, it tooks years and extensive culling to develop these new variations. I never said you'd get wild type in F1. IMO you'll get RCS and with varying degrees of red. Keep breeding them and eventually you'll get a wild type. Just like most shrimp, culling is required to maintain quality. I've never let a tank just keep breeding without culling and I've also never keep a colour variation more than a year or 2. Ron, why do you only keep them a year or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ron, why do you only keep them a year or two? Boredom and the need to get the newest variant with a limited number of tanks. Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinman Posted December 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Update the project has been put on hold. I found the male dead for some reason I know he was huge so I'm thinking old age. The female is fine. Right now I don't want to sacrifice another red male. The project will just have to wait till I get more shrimp or till I get babies from the BD culls. I'm leaving the female by herself till I get a male for her . This will give her plenty of time to clean out any sperm from breeding's with other cherry shrimp males Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 The good thing is that fems don't retain sperm like guppies do. One mating, one berried. Then clean as a whistle and ready to mate again. Sorry your project is put on hold right now, however you have plenty of time. Vinman and pictokid1983 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinman Posted December 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 That is great news Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinman Posted December 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I'm very glad you shared this information with me as it will help me with my breeding projects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 You are very welcome. Sharing information is what this forum is all about. Vinman and pictokid1983 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pictokid1983 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 sometimes its not just how knowledgeable or good you are, but also important that you enjoy your very own shrimp keeping process. everyone has different preferences and interest, haha sometimes it matters not too much about whether they cross and revert back to wild forms or whatever. i think everyone has different values to the same thing hope you enjoy your shrimp keeping Vinman, no worries about how it may come out etc yea Soothing Shrimp and Vinman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I did something like this except with blue rilis. I would get a mix of regular carbons, blue carbons, varying degrees of brown, regular rilis, blue rilis, and BDs. I was hoping for a Bloody Mary but no luck yet. It's a step backwards if you care about solidarity of 1 color. If you enjoy playing around with the wheel of fortune of color the that's fine too. What do you want to do with them in the long run? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinman Posted December 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 I did something like this except with blue rilis. I would get a mix of regular carbons, blue carbons, varying degrees of brown, regular rilis, blue rilis, and BDs. I was hoping for a Bloody Mary but no luck yet. It's a step backwards if you care about solidarity of 1 color. If you enjoy playing around with the wheel of fortune of color the that's fine too. What do you want to do with them in the long run? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's it I'm going to mix what I got with the cherry I have and start my own lines. Thanx for the feed back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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