Shrimple minded Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Paging all moss experts! I'd like to tap into others experiences to learn more about how to successfully re-tie moss. To date, I've had mixed results re-doing moss, with about 1/2 of my efforts growing out fine, with the other half slowly fading to brown and dying off. In my unsuccessful attempts, I realize that my poor results most likely stem from the source moss not thriving in my tanks in the first place, but I'd still like to know some best-practices for when I'm trying to "save" a poorly-performing moss. Below are some pictures and notes related to some of my "wins" and "losses" in this arena: Triangle Moss - My triangle moss did OK for several months, never growing dense/compact......kind of loose/stringy. After a few months portions would turn brown and die off, so I attempted to re-tie along with a change in tank-location and slight bump in nutrients (using SL Aqua shrimp-safe plant ferts). The piece of SS mesh I used had previously held fissidens, but was still washed in hot water and allowed to air dry. I used 8-lb fluorocarbon fishing line that was also rinsed/scrubbed under hot water, at the time I was trying to eliminate a theory that there might be lubricants/coatings on the fluoro that affected moss success. The piece has been moved from lower-flow areas of the tank to higher-flow areas with no noted change in results. As you can see below, the die-off continues and it's quickly headed for the loss column. Flame Moss - I had brought in several mosses at same time when I initially set up my tank, and flame moss was the fastest-growing of the bunch. In about six months the original SS mesh pieces had grown to 3-4 inches in length, and after time the undergrowth of the flame moss started to turn brown and die off, most likely from being shaded by the taller height of the tips. I pulled the moss, trimmed off all of the dead matter, and set about my re-tie. Same procedure as above, 1 piece tied with fluorocarbon and 2 others using Han's black rubber bands. I'd call this one an immediate failure, there was absolutely no recovery on the mosses part, what was green slowly died off and turned brown over the course of a month, with no "shoots" forming for upward growth. Mini-fissidens - This one goes into the win column. I purchased some loose mini-fissidens from a fine TSS forum member and set about tying it to SS mesh. Same process as above, 8 lb fluorocarbon for both pieces. Although mini-fissidens is a very slow grower, these pieces never went downhill, staying green over the last several months and now showing reasonable growth. The picture below shows my re-tied mini-fiss on the right, with an original piece from Han on the left. Mini-fissidens has done well in my tanks. As a side note, you can see the mini-pellia to the far left of the picture and see just how well it has performed. This picture is blurry because of a big patch of biofilm on the front-glass. Fissidens Fontanus - This moss is my nemesis and has defeated me at every opportunity. I don't feel like my attempts to re-tie Fontanus have failed, as there wasn't the immediate die-off and browning to speak of. My first few pieces of FF were lost to BBA, most likely due to too much photoperiod. After I decreased my lighting (both in duration and intensity), I brought in more Fontanus to give it another go. These pieces were mulm-magnets like others have noted, and while they didn't grow BBA, they did form what I believe to be hair algae. I've tried more/less light, more/less flow, more/less ferts......all with the same results. My tank sits between 73.0 and 73.2F at all times. Although this doesn't really fall under the post-topic of re-tying moss, I include this information in case someone with expertise can see a "comprehensive" problem with my moss and give guidance on how to turn things around. The picture below is one of my re-tied FF, you can safely disregard the "shade-line" you see in the photo, as stated above these pieces have been in a variety of locations, this one just happens to be a "medium-flow" location that I experimented with over the last 1-2 weeks. The second picture is FF on a lava rock (sitting in a different tank)......as you can see it has much less hair algae but is starting to yellow and is anything but thriving. Anyone that has any advice/tips/tricks or knows what I did right or wrong, I'd love to hear from you. I'm hoping we can all share some information so that everyone can learn from each others mistakes and triumphs. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read or respond. SM Louie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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