Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I like biofilm/probiotic powders, but it's turning into much money with so many tanks. Fish people make and share recipes all the time to save money, and it seems to me like we have so many well educated shrimpers here that we should be able to come up with our own recipe for a biofilm/probiotic. In fact, I'd love to have a recipe section for all kinds of innovative powders/foods for our shrimp- but baby steps first. So, to all our members, what would be some ingredients to put into a biofilm/probiotic powder mix? For starters, here's the ingredients from two popular products: --- product #1: Amino acids, polysaccarides, xylanase, glucanase, amylase, protease, hemicellulase, Bacillus subtilis, Pediococcus acidilactici (Lactobacillus) product #2: lactic acid bacteria, yeast, Bacillus subtilis, grass bacillus, chitin, vitamins, minerals, and amino acid. --- I see these two have in common: Amino acids Lactobacillus Bacillus subtilis Thoughts? pictokid1983, Elo500, mayphly and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyeGuy411 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think this is a great idea and I like the future idea of a whole recipe section. I know hyoushoku is working a probiotic experiment right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I have a recipe or two for fish/shrimp food, but I don't know about your question so I'll bump the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I found this, which is intriguing- but it doesn't list ingredients that I can see. Would be very cheap to use as a probiotic base though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I wonder how big the aquarium hobby is on asia, I always see asian products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 HUGE! The govt actually promotes shrimping as a type of farming and to build the economy. h4n 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Haha, I also wonder is they promote the betta and goldfish bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Not really a fish person, so I can't answer that one. I do know that high quality bettas and goldfish are entered into some very serious shows. Koi also, of course. aquariumlover10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EbiBunBun Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Some even sell for thousands of dollars! You should watch the YouTube videos of pet stores in Asia it is as facinting as it is horrifying. Sorry for derailing your post Soothing. I am curious about this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibikaie Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 http://www.culturesforhealth.com/vegan-dairy-free-yogurt-starter.html Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 If it is a powder and not a paste, it sounds promising. 1g for $10. I think we can take your idea and run with it. --- So following your lead, I found this for less : Yogo Non-Dairy Yogurt Starter About $5.50 or so for 20g [4 (5g) packets] Basically the same ingredients from what you found. So that would cover 3 Lactobacillus strains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roborep1 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 soothing it can be done. Do you feel there is a market for this. If so what is the sweet spot on price. It can be had in China through the same places that make it for glasgarten and others. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Yeah I knew thebettas, goldfish, and koi are the huge things there, I saw a koi that sold for like 5 million dollars once, not in persn but nline it was a huge and very old koi, but it didn't even look that cool, all it had was white with a red circle on the head, I guess its because that's there flag or something like that and it was old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Different strokes for different folks, AL10. If one has the money to play with... --- Roborep, honestly not looking to sell, simply trying to make things in shrimping more affordable to myself and others. Nothing beats the original, however when there are many tanks, sometimes we have to be creative to make ends meet. Crazyfishlady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Lol, I have like no money so basicaly if I have a emergency with my tank I start begging people for money or I try and take a loan from my parents its always a no though. Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryboy12484 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Lol, I have like no money so basicaly if I have a emergency with my tank I start begging people for money or I try and take a loan from my parents its always a no though.well, you have shrimp you can sell, when they start breeding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Haha, yup thts what I want to do, also I can seel wild caught ghost shrimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm almost always in the red, dude. LOL But back to the thread... -- So I'm having a tough time finding bacillis subtilis powder on the cheap, but I did find that Japanese Natto (fermented soy beans) uses bacillis subtilis natto for the process. After some more research, I found this: $35 for 15g I have to find someplace that has this for less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Haha ok. I honestly wouldnt use the soy beans for it, I know that's snowflake food isbmade from soybean shells, but soy isn't very good for anything, heath wise, but I am sure you can find it somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Not planning on using the soy beans for it. Just need the bacteria. Found out it's also called Natto-Kin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 http://www.gemcultures.com/soy_cultures.htm based in Lakewood, WA Natto Starter Kit: This kit contains the culture, directions and recipes. Each Kit contains enough starter to make a total of 4.5 pounds of Natto or 3 batches of 1.5 pounds each. One teaspoon of Natto starter, plus one pound of soybeans will make 1.5 pounds of fresh Natto. Commercial Natto Starter: A concentrated spore preparation, this vial has sufficient spore to start 48 pounds of dry soybeans making about 86 pounds of natto. Natto Starter Kit: 11gm makes 4.5 pounds $4.00 (Limit 20 per order) Commercial Natto Starter: 3gm(Pure Spore) makes 86 pounds $14.00 (Limit 2 per order) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Oh ok, that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Looking at amino acids right now. Found some interesting info: "Some of the amino acids molecules, the polar ones - e.g. Glutamine, Glutamic Acid, Lysine, Arginine Serine etc. - are actually water soluble, observed by themselves. Other, the non-polar ones, are not water soluble, e.g. Leucine, Phenylalanine, Methionine etc.There are also some, which are non-polar, thus, essentially hydrophobic, but still less strictly segregated from water, usually due to their smaller size (e.g. Alanine, Glycine etc.)." Charged:• Arginine - Arg - R• Lysine - Lys - K• Aspartic acid - Asp - D• Glutamic acid - Glu - E Polar (may participate in hydrogen bonds):• Glutamine - Gln - Q• Asparagine - Asn - N• Histidine - His - H• Serine - Ser - S• Threonine - Thr - T• Tyrosine - Tyr - Y• Cysteine - Cys - C• Methionine - Met - M• Tryptophan - Trp - W Hydrophobic (normally buried inside the protein core):• Alanine - Ala - A• Isoleucine - Ile - I• Leucine - Leu - L• Phenylalanine - Phe - F• Valine - Val - V• Proline - Pro - P• Glycine - Gly - G So essentially I want to stay away from BCAA powder. (BRANCHED CHAIN AMINO ACIDS) Green okay, stay away from red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 So this may be another case of repackaging. I stumbled on horse probiotics and it looks as if it has many of these things in it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fastrack-Probiotic-Pack-Equine-Horse-Supplement-5-lbs-/201027678792?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ece2ef248 There may be a better one yet, but this is 5 lbs for $38 with free shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariumlover10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 If you get the horse probiotics make sure to use less then youwould normaly, I use to live on a farm where we bred and sold horses, all the stuff for them is very high strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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