nuri Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Goodafternoon fellow shrimplovers I need some advice to get my shrimplet survivalrate up the tank had been recycled for 4 weeks and is running now for about 7 months. substrate: akadama it is a 50 L tank with 15 spotted heads + 2 taiwan bees in it ( to keep taiwan bee blood line in the group) i feed: dennerle shrimpking complete every 3 days bacter ae everyday CSF zemelenpouder everyday or 2 csf nettle sticks some more products (forgot the name) have catappa leaves in it i do every 2 weeks waterchange of estimated 20% i use reversed osmose of 250 microsiemens (us) for waterchange and the aquariumwater is 290 us. waterparameters: NO3 = 0 NO2 = 0 GH = between 4 and 5 KH = 1,5 PH = 6 chlorine = 0 PO4 = 0 (it didnt turn blue) the shrimplets first died in the first weeks then i changed the food diet now they dissapear when they are around 1 month old. the temperature was 25 degrees i have lowered it down to 21 degrees since last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 May seem like an obvious answer, but what kind of shrimp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuri Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 15 spotted heads and 2 taiwan bee's (Caridina) I had tons of zebra pinto shrimplets unfortunetly they all died.... All taiwan bee shrimolets die, i havent even raised 1 to mature in thus tank. I do have couple almost mature crystal red smily raised up but thats it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 My card tanks had deaths until "seasoned." Took about a year. I have no idea why, but after that things slowly got better. But I now use ae to help build biofilm. Don't know if that makes a difference or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuri Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 How do you use bacter ae? I hate that product i have to get some water in a small bucket mix it and then pour it back in the tank with the filter off. If i put it direct in the aqua it stays on the surface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Well, I kinda cheat. LOL I dip a bamboo skewer in the water, dip it in the ae, then swirl the stick in the water. I do this every feeding. What floats usually falls down rather quickly for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Seems like a lot of food for so few shrimps. I feed less than that, and less frequently, for a 10 gallon with probably close to a couple hundred shrimp. Also, what are you using to test your nitrates? And how are you remineralizing your RO water? I am not sure how to convert your µS to TDS. Are you dripping in your water changes? nuri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Good catch on the food Sarah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplepanda Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I hate that product thats's odd, it's surely one of the most popular foods around and is excellent for TB young. a quick stir on the surface usually sinks most of it, my shrimp also grab it from the surface.. Vinn and Soothing Shrimp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETAquarium Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think the two most important aspects to a shrimplets survival is oxygenated water and food. Food not meaning drop in a pellet and hope they eat, but being able to deliver the food to a place where the shrimplet feels confident enough to eat and not be crushed by adults. That is our challenge, I started a couple months ago using Lowkeys Double Speed to pinpoint food distribution with a pipette. Seems to have helped get the food to where it needs to be, but the most important piece I added was a Choice Bubbler that helped increased oxygenation within my water. Shrimpie, Soothing Shrimp, sarah and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrand Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Adding extra oxygenation made a HUGE difference for baby shrimp survival in my tiger tank. And I mean huge difference. In a 20 long i had only a sponge filter with very few babies surviving, probably around 10% like you. I added a large airstone and i saw a large uptick in the amount of babies around the tank. Id suggest adding an airstone or something else to add oxygenation. nuri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuri Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 airstone does not add oxygen it helps the gas exchange on the surface, to have a better benefit i use oxydator restocked with 6% H2O2 . i want to thank all you guys for the effort. have you guys had the feeling that all baby shrimps were dead but 1 month later they show up....... that is prety much what happened to me today i turn the light up and i see a prety grown up pinto zebra between the moss. he must have a good hidingspot lol i reminilaze RO from 4 tds till 160 and my tank is 184 tds i dont over feed right? atleast i am not noticing it.... everyday baxter ae every 2 or 3 days a pellet of food every 2 or 3 days small bit of CSF zemelenpouder (babyfood) oh yeah btw: i have also roughly 20 neo's grown up in it (came as a shrimplet with the moss when i transfered it to this tank) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuri Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 that is the main scedule of feeding sometimes i change to an another (baby)food product or mix it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokeshrimp Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 How much bactor ae are you feeding? Maybe its just me but when i first started using bactor ae i easily used too much. I started using the skewer technique and the tanks seem to be doing better. I also try to dip the skewer where all the babies hang out or in piles of moss where there may be hiding babies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuri Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 it is a 50 or 60 L tank and i dose between 1/2 to 1/4 of the spoon. overfeeding bacter ae cant harm the conditions right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Nits zoom up according to poopians calcs when using the suggested dosage. That's why some people, like me, have cut back on dosing to the skewer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vpier Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 it is a 50 or 60 L tank and i dose between 1/2 to 1/4 of the spoon. overfeeding bacter ae cant harm the conditions right? 1/2 to much. Using the recommended dosage that is printed on the jar is a bad thing. I Learned the hard way and struggled with maintaining proper water parameters, nasty things like hydra and planaria enjoyed it. I now use a little bit once a week and no more nitrate, tds and nasty creature problems. I dissolve AE in a glass and use a 12 inch long pipette to spot dose where I think babies might be hanging out. Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrand Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 airstone does not add oxygen it helps the gas exchange on the surface, to have a better benefit i use oxydator restocked with 6% H2O2 . i want to thank all you guys for the effort. have you guys had the feeling that all baby shrimps were dead but 1 month later they show up....... that is prety much what happened to me today i turn the light up and i see a prety grown up pinto zebra between the moss. he must have a good hidingspot lol i reminilaze RO from 4 tds till 160 and my tank is 184 tds i dont over feed right? atleast i am not noticing it.... everyday baxter ae every 2 or 3 days a pellet of food every 2 or 3 days small bit of CSF zemelenpouder (babyfood) oh yeah btw: i have also roughly 20 neo's grown up in it (came as a shrimplet with the moss when i transfered it to this tank) Thanks nuri for the info, I stand corrected of airstone vs gas exchange vs oxygen. I love learning new things. In the end though, for me the addition of the airstone made a very noticeable increase in the survival of babies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clansman Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I agree with targeted feeding of fine baby foods, I use a 20 ml syringe that got a 12 inch hard plastic 4 mm tube I spread it to all the common areas glass dish almond leafs etc, Oxygen is also another I agree on, but there's another to consider does the soil have a build up of bad bacteria for babies graze on the soil from about 10 days and with lots of moulting I believe there vunerable , I have upped my use of beemax and increased water changes with matched water my survival is great nuri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuri Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 what for feed recommandations do you guys use for bacter ae ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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