wicca32 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 am i missing something? when i was talking with a couple breeders that had been around for a while they said it was kinda working backwards to have them? it waters down the tb genetics. since tb are stronger now than they used to be it was better to start with tb and not mess with mischlings. thats why i jumped in with both feed and skipped the mischlings. ctaylor3737 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Maybe everyone wants try to line breed there own tibees? I'm going to have all in my tank and see what pops up. I'm not in it to sell haha. Crs CBS mischlings oebt and tb Finchaser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicca32 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 tibee is a tiger crs/cbs cross it has nothing to do with mischlings that is a whole other type of shrimp i dont member the name right now though. im not in it to sell really. i just like them lol. when the numbers get a bit big for the tank i will part with some but that will be a ways down the road. i only have 8 in a 5 gal right now hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Wait. I thought the bkk etc came from selective breeding tibees out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravensgate Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 It's believed that Taiwans DID come from tibees. Wicca, Taiwans are still bee shrimp so mischlings are a cheaper way for folks to cross with their tigers and get more interesting tibees. They are called Tai-tibees. The reason folks are wanting them if I had to guess is because you can still get Taiwans out of mischlings on occasion. So it's easier to buy shrimp that are $4-5 a piece as opposed to $20-50. Just guessing though! I have Taiwans and mischlings in the same tank, still tapping my fingers on them to breed though;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OblongShrimp Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 I have like 6 TB's so I have thrown close to 20 female CRS in with them just to try and increase my population of TB's faster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc4PC2 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Interesting...... The great things you learn on this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicca32 Posted April 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 im guessing when it comes to mischlings it kinda depends on the generation and if there is a tb to breed with it to improve the possibility of getting TB. i had thought about going that rought too but then it came down to i would rather have 2 tanks in that case. i want all tb in a tank. i was doing nuts trying to figure out how i was going to sort though shrimp to get the crs/cbs out of a tb tank lol. i get that they are cheaper and i was kinda wondering if that was a main reason for it or if it was something else all together. another question i have is if you get tb from a mischling, when you breed that said tb do you get a majority of tb or still a high number of mischlings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 I would assume a good percentage of crystals still. Until you line breed it with tibees to stabilize the line. So here's a question. You have a tank with 13 crs CBS mix. You add 7 mischlings to it. And then add 12 tibees to it just run of the mill white grey and black tiger striped tibees. Your mischlings have the genes for black King Kong, wine red, blue bolt, golden and shadow. What would be the percentage of tibee, mischling shrimplets coming from this tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Doesn't matter how many shrimp are in there. What matters in the pairing to mate. And from that, the background of the shrimp. At this time Homogenous shrimp are almost impossible to find in TB. Unfortunately if shrimp were more straight forward you could do punnet squares, but since they are not and you are dealing with co-doms, co-recessives, etc. - it really is an impossible question to answer unless you study the throw the shrimp has had with that pairing previously.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 That's a good answer haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pika Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Soothing, I love the fact that you do both theater and genetics in depth, and with passion. While definitely not unheard of, I will say the combo is not too common in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Don't let the banter fool ya. I have a great interest in genetics and know just enough to get some idea about what goes on, but I'm really not smart. Just creative. Luckily that serves for both my hobbies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 How did you learn about genetics for shrimps ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Lots and lots of reading. The shameful part is that almost no one really knows anything about shrimp genetics. Lots of guesses and theories, but no proofs. When I first got into shrimp I had a background in mice/rats/reptiles and those genetics are pretty well mapped out. I figured inverts would be the same way. Boy was I wrong! If you get the B&K mag #2, it has a really good section on shrimp genetics explained in layman language in the back section. The bell curve is as good an explanation as any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
featherblue Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Whats b & k mag? Sounds likes a great read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLK Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Whats b & k mag? Sounds likes a great read Breeders 'n' keepers? I still need to pick up both volumes! My whole reasoning for getting mischlings was mainly the cost to stock a tank with enough shrimp to keep it interesting. It's an ada 60p and I could only afford to get 3 tbs, and also another 25 mischlings. I never see all 3 tbs at the same time but there are mischlings everywhere. My hope is to move the tbs and female mischlings to another tank when they are ready to breed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 "Breeders 'n' keepers?" yepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OblongShrimp Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I got a bunch of Volume 1 and a few of volume 2 left and have more Volume 2 on their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think Bryce should do a write up and put a sticky on it for all of us about genetics in lamens terms what do you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 LOL I think I'll stick to just giving the odd answer here and there. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLK Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I got a bunch of Volume 1 and a few of volume 2 left and have more Volume 2 on their way. Just ordered them from you today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Ahhhh bryceeee!!!! If you ever get bored and feel like ranting about genetics and shrimp though heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 That's part of the social interaction I enjoy, my friend. I come to the forum to learn and share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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