Nuthatch Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Today I put a piece of cholla wood in my tank, and I am wondering how long it will take to grow biofilm for the shrimp? Once it has finished sinking I'm going to position it partly beneath the moss for ease of access. Just in case I get lucky & any (possible) babies survive the CPDs (potential) predation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigXor Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Seachem Stability will boost biofilm production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMG Aquatics Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Seachem Stability will boost biofilm production. Seachem Stability will boost beneficial bacteria production. GlasGarten Bacter AE will boost biofilm production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigXor Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Wikipedia describes 'A biofilm is any group of microorganisms in which cells stick to each other on a surface.' Therefore beneficial bacteria and the microorganisms in GlasGarten Bacter AE both create biofilms. Take your pick Nuthatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpo Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Microorganisms + sticky substance (which they produce to keep them attached to surface) = biofilm If I am not mistaken, biofilm contains 10% microorganisms and 90% sticky substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuthatch Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Thanks for info on how to increase biofilm production, but that wasn't really the question. I'm curious as to how long it takes biofilm to grow on an object in an aged & occupied tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpo Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 The last paragraph in this link explains in details how long it takes for biofilm to form. http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/e/jel5/biofilms/primer.html Wygglz, svetilda, Shrimple minded and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuthatch Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 So if I read that right, the biofilm has been growing since about the first hour it went in there? Do the shrimp eat the biofilm, or the stuff that the film catches? Very interesting stuff- thanks for the link! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpo Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 So if I read that right, the biofilm has been growing since about the first hour it went in there? Do the shrimp eat the biofilm, or the stuff that the film catches? Very interesting stuff- thanks for the link! First minutes organic monolayer is formed to create a sticky surface for bacteria to hold on to, after the reversible and irreversible attachment stages the biofilm start to form within hours/days depends on the environment/ nutrients level. I will quote this final stage from the link above: " ... The final stage in the irreversible adhesion of a cell to an environmental surface is associated with the production of extracellular polymer substances or EPS. Most of the EPS of biofilms are polymers containing sugars such as glucose, galactose, mannose, fructose, rhamnose, N-acetylglucosamine and others. This layer of EPS and bacteria can now entrap particulate materials such as clay, organic materials, dead cells and precipitated minerals adding to the bulk and diversity of the biofilm habitat. This growing biofilm can now serve as the focus for the attachment and growth of other organisms increasing the biological diversity of the community." I believe shrimp eats whatever trapped in that EPS, it takes as much it can pull out of that sticky mass. Soothing Shrimp, revolutionhope, BigXor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuthatch Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Thank you, Shrimpo, for taking the time to explain this to me. I love to be able to ask questions & understand the answers! BigXor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimple minded Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Really good stuff Shrimpo, thank you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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