Soothing Shrimp Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Pinto + Pinto = Pinto? h4n and JayMarshal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Nope lol. You'll get normal looking Taiwan bees as well. And they are "pinto mischlings." Soothing Shrimp and svetilda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 There are pintos that almost breed true though. Offspring are pintos with the same pattern as the parents. It's just selective breeding after many generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Thanks Miwu. I'm a total noob as far as the pintos go. So would you do TB mich x pinto to increase pinto odds then? Does it matter which pinto (male or fem) when back breeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 If you can get pinto x pinto then that's the most desirable. Pinto x pinto mischling (TB ) is good also. You can also do pinto x pinto mischling (tibee), and all sorts of other crosses. But these have lower odds for pintos. Not all pintos look good anyway and a lot of people just have a mixed tank of tigers, TB's, pinto mischlings, and pintos. What's photographed are the nice looking individuals. It shouldn't matter but if you can only get a few pintos (like most of us), then you probably want male pintos to spread the genes. Is that what you're asking? EricM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I guess I'm asking more along the lines of is it better to use a male pinto to breed to female pinto mich, or to have male pinto mich to breed to female pintos? Much of my knowledge comes from selectively breeding neos, but in neos the fem carries most color. In crs males carry most color genes (so I'm told), So, perhaps a male pinto is better to breed to female pinto mich for the best increased chances of pintos? --- Also, I've heard it is very hard to get female pintos because the breeders tend to keep them. Is this true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I'm not very experienced with pintos either so I'm speaking from limited experience and what I'm heard and read. I wouldn't think male or female carries the color better. I'm just suggesting that a pinto male can be crossed with say five mischling females whereas a pinto female can only have so many babies in a month. And yea, I think most people would keep the nice females. But that's why you buy juvies. Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 It would be best pinto female with pinto male mischlings just like with tb mischlings Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I personally do male TB's with female mischlings though (?) mayphly, eozen81, JayMarshal and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 That is what I meant, sorry so male pinto female pimto mischling.... Head is spinning today EricM, miwu, Soothing Shrimp and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted November 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrich Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Hope its ok that i add my pinto question here soothing shrimp.. Can you help me define a pinto.. What makes a pinto a pinto.? Is it the colouration/pattern.? Or is it the genes.? Is it both of the above.? What is the difference in for example spotted head vs. Spotted head pinto.? Is the spotted head pinto a pinto misch.? Like the Taiwan/pinto misch offspring you get from breeding pinto x pinto.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted November 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't mind at all. In fact, if we want to make this Pinto Q & A thread, I'm all for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrich Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Great thanks a mill.. It could end up being a great thread.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayphly Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I just found this older thread which had some good info on pintos. It never hurts to go back and re-read. I'll be following this one since I'm also trying for pintos with some super tiger tibees and some low grade crs that were crossed with tt's. I'll be crossing these with selected tb. http://www.shrimpspot.com/index.php?/topic/1018-lets-talk-pintos/ jerrich and eozen81 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted November 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Great back link, mayphly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrich Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 So i have used all day to read and study. So far i have come to the conclusion that a pinto is a carryer of the tiger gene and denpending on the colouretion and patter it is ither a pinto or a pinto misch. And spotted head x Taiwan gives spotted head pinto depending om colouration and pattern.. Am i totally wrong here..? EricM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 A pinto is a Taiwan bee with some tiger patterns. For it to have tiger patterns, it has to have tiger genes. However, some Taiwan bees have tiger genes but do not show them. These will be called pinto mischlings, since when crossed, then may produce pintos. A pinto mischling can also be a tibee with Taiwan bee gene but not expressing Taiwan bee phenotype. So it's always a good idea to clarify what kind of pinto mischling you're referring to - phenotypically tibee or Taiwan bee. Spotted head is a pattern of pinto, like zebra, fish bone, golden back. These patterns depend on the tiger gene (or combination of tiger genes) that you used and luck. EricM, Soothing Shrimp and Desireenfh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadenlea Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I think we need pictures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Mosura Pinto Belly Pinto Zebra Pinto Skunk Pinto Nasashi or Tai-tibee evabug1, acdc07, svetilda and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I *think* the zebra pinto is also called keyboard. Can someone confirm or say otherwise? For further clarification, I'll use a quote from ineke: "Tibee - is a hybrid between a Tiger ( OEBT - orange eye blue tiger ) or also blonde tiger- and usually a Taiwan Bee ( TB) but some use crystals- CBS (Crystal Black Shrimp) and CRS ( Crystal Red Shrimp) with the Tiger TaiTibee - is a Tibee crossed back to a Taiwan Bee Pinto - is a color and type of Taitibee" EricM, svetilda and Tigori 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrich Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Great write up miwu... So i wasent all wrong. Think i am getting it through my thik skull now... The word phenotype is new to me.. Tryed google and it says Phenotype, all the observable characteristics of an organism, such as shape, size, colour, and behaviour, that result from the interaction of its genotype. In otherwords i phenotype tibee is not locking like a Taiwan correct..? Great pics Soothing. I have read some where that piano pinto should have more narrow black stripes an wider white stripes like a piano.. Havent seen pictures just read it on a nother forum.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadenlea Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 So this discussion is way beyond my experience level but I am enjoying reading it all the same. After reading Soothings last post, I have a question that is probably stupid but has me curious. Why does it need to be OEBT or blond to be a tibee ? Do other tigers not work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigori Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I *think* the zebra pinto is also called keyboard. Can someone confirm or say otherwise? For further clarification, I'll use a quote from ineke: "Tibee - is a hybrid between a Tiger ( OEBT - orange eye blue tiger ) or also blonde tiger- and usually a Taiwan Bee ( TB) but some use crystals- CBS (Crystal Black Shrimp) and CRS ( Crystal Red Shrimp) with the Tiger TaiTibee - is a Tibee crossed back to a Taiwan Bee Pinto - is a color and type of Taitibee" Zebra,keyboard,piano Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Phenotype is basically what it looks like. So yes, a tibee doesn't look like a Taiwan bee but may carry the Taiwan bee gene. Other tigers do work. People use red tiger all the time. Some are using the new pearl tigers to achieve spotted head. It's why they are in high demand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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