Mr. F Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 I was thinking I might add a few blue velvets to my blue/carbon rilis. I know that full blue velvets are said to originate from the carbon wt and are supposed to be bred out straight from blue rilis. I have a couple rilis already that show a bit of blue velvet coloration (dark spotting over translucent blue) and a couple that look like full blue velvets. I would like to increase the frequency of full blues and/or increase blue in the existing rilis. So my question is, would it be foolish to add them? My guess is that it would work, but I am curious if someone has tried this and if many WTs are thrown? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.dru Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I was thinking I might add a few blue velvets to my blue/carbon rilis. I know that full blue velvets are said to originate from the carbon wt and are supposed to be bred out straight from blue rilis. I have a couple rilis already that show a bit of blue velvet coloration (dark spotting over translucent blue) and a couple that look like full blue velvets. I would like to increase the frequency of full blues and/or increase blue in the existing rilis. So my question is, would it be foolish to add them? My guess is that it would work, but I am curious if someone has tried this and if many WTs are thrown? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I am in the same boat. I have a blue velvet colony that I need to add some genetic diversity to. My goal is to enhance the blue some more and make them a bit darker. Would adding rili's accomplish that or should I just get another line of blue velvets? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Well, let's go into some history here of BV. Red Rili threw three different forms of blues. clear blue tissue shrimp (also known as blue rili. I know very confusing since it has no blue splotches.) These are born blue. BBRR which looks like a red rili but blue body tissue. These look like red babies, and gradually develop the red rili pattern. The third form is BV. These also look like red babies, and gradually develop the red rili pattern. What makes the difference between BV and BBRR is that BV starts out looking like BBRR, but as they get older the red fades away leaving a blue tissue shrimp. As a novelty note: RBV is a term for Red Blue Velvet which is when a BV keeps the red past juvie stage into adulthood. Even that tends to fade with age though. So, the BV is a genetic mutation from RR, and separate from BBRR. Carbons and Blue carbons (which some people are calling blue rili now) are from the chocolate diamond line. So since the backgrounds are different, BV x Carbon should yield wild types with the occasional blue here and there. If you were to try it, I'd say try a small sample first and see what happens. Vshrimp, ShrimpP, svetilda and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.dru Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Well, let's go into some history here of BV. Red Rili threw three different forms of blues. clear blue tissue shrimp (also known as blue rili. I know very confusing since it has no blue splotches.) These are born blue. BBRR which looks like a red rili but blue body tissue. These look like red babies, and gradually develop the red rili pattern.The third form is BV. These also look like red babies, and gradually develop the red rili pattern.What makes the difference between BV and BBRR is that BV starts out looking like BBRR, but as they get older the red fades away leaving a blue tissue shrimp. As a novelty note: RBV is a term for Red Blue Velvet which is when a BV keeps the red past juvie stage into adulthood. Even that tends to fade with age though.So, the BV is a genetic mutation from RR, and separate from BBRR. Carbons and Blue carbons (which some people are calling blue rili now) are from the chocolate diamond line. So since the backgrounds are different, BV x Carbon should yield wild types with the occasional blue here and there. If you were to try it, I'd say try a small sample first and see what happens. Im not saying you are wrong, but based off this chart and what you said, I am confused as to where the blue velvet comes from. I am just trying to make an informed decision before I do anything. Cause based on this chart, I have both jellies and velvets in my population.Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.dru Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This is what I have. Maybe you can tell me what I have exactly. I bought them as blue velvets. Dont mind the kilifish. He is gone now. Wont be making that mistake again. Lol. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 People try their best with charts, however many of them were not around when the lines were made. I was lucky enough to be around in the days neos were first becoming popular, and have seen many of the strains come into being. Speedie was one of the first importers of neos and would receive information from his sources that bred them, whom in turn would relay the information to us buyers. This maker of this chart has meant well and did the best s/he could, however consider having kept rilis for lots of years, I can say with 100% certainty one never produced a blue shell pigmented rili. heh I have experienced all three types of blues from the RR first hand though. heh Also, consider that BV was a strain before carbons were even a strain. Since that is so, how would BV come from a strain that did not exist yet? Regardless if you chose to believe my information or not, even the chart shows carbons and blue rilis have two separate backgrounds. When mixing backgrounds, the chance of wilds are increased. svetilda and ShrimpP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 This is what I have. Maybe you can tell me what I have exactly. I bought them as blue velvets. Dont mind the kilifish. He is gone now. Wont be making that mistake again. Lol. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Beautiful blues. They look like the phenotype of BV. A couple things to consider- when the eggs are close to hatching do they look pink? Are the babies red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.dru Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Thanks for the info. Like I said, its not that I dont trust your info and I apologize if I came across that way, Im just trying to learn more about the blue velvet line. Seems to me that the best way to accomplish my goal is to get some more blue velvets. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.dru Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Beautiful blues. They look like the phenotype of BV. A couple things to consider- when the eggs are close to hatching do they look pink? Are the babies red? To be honest, I havent paid close attention to that. I do know the eggs are yellow. I have a few berried females. I'll take a look when I get home tonight. As far as the babies are concerned, I want to say I have seen both blue and red. But again I havent paid much attention and I could be wrong. I will be paying closer attention now! [emoji3] Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Most people don't know the little differences. heh You are now one of the select few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Thanks for the info. Like I said, its not that I dont trust your info and I apologize if I came across that way, Im just trying to learn more about the blue velvet line. Seems to me that the best way to accomplish my goal is to get some more blue velvets. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk I'm not offended either way! LOL Like you, I almost always remain skeptical until proven otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted March 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Seems to me you have a different "blue velvet" than I am referring to. I guess it's a blue dream? I'm not sure. What's the proper term for a blue tissues solid color (maybe small spots) blue shrimp that comes from carbon? That's what I want to cross with my "blue" rilis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 I've just seen them labeled blue carbons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimple minded Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 A couple things to consider- when the eggs are close to hatching do they look pink? Are the babies red? Soothing, the above 2 traits are specific to Blue Velvets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 yes. Blue rilis don't have red babies. Shrimple minded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.dru Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 yes. Blue rilis don't have red babies.Saw 2 babies today that were pink. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. F Posted March 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 I found a friend over in Hawaii with solid blues bred out from blue carbon rilis. I was offered 10 for $20, so I went for it. He calls them BVs, I call them BDs-- it's kinda like a "rose by any other name" type of situation as he assures me they indeed came from the carbon line. I should be receiving them next Friday or Saturday. Then the experimenting begins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 So, the true blue diamond came from chocolate diamond. You are correct though, a blue looks like blue. I'd love to see a pic of his new strain. Congrats to him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted March 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 I always do this.... Lol. When I said "BD" I'm referring to blue Dream, not Diamond. Sorry for the confusion. [emoji4] Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Check it out, guys! My friend in HI sent me a couple shots of the colony. A little blurry, but you'll get the idea. Turns out they're directly from his blue carbon rilis, as you can see, so my task will be to stabilize these bad boys (and girls). They look a lot like BVs to me, but not of the same lineage. What do you think? New strain or Sky Blue Carbon? capt.dru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt.dru Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Those are some nice looking shrimp! Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Mr. F 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Nice. I was doing that project for awhile for a different reasoning. The challenge I had was trying to lose that last bit of pigment near the tail. heh Remember to keep his strain/improve on it, cull any that have splotch pigment on them. Of course, maybe you'll be smarter than I was and set the pigmented tail trait, and call them paintbrush or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. F Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Nice. [emoji4] I was doing that project for awhile for a different reasoning. The challenge I had was trying to lose that last bit of pigment near the tail. heh Remember to keep his strain/improve on it, cull any that have splotch pigment on them. Of course, maybe you'll be smarter than I was and set the pigmented tail trait, and call them paintbrush or something. [emoji6] Paintbrush! I love it. We will see what the shrimp look like when they arrive, but I'm hoping to start with a few that lack the tail pigment. If not, Paintbrushes it is! Lol. Soothing Shrimp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vshrimp Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I thought blue velvets come from the red rili line/blue rili? I may be wrong. All these shrimp genectics are confusing lol Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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