Pika Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 So when we cycle a tank why not introduce sugar to the water column for fast growth of bbThere may be some beneficial sugar-eating bacteria, but when cycling, what you *really* want are the ammonia eating ones (and then the nitrite-lovers after that) and I'm pretty sure they don't overlap a lot. So that's why you'd "feed" plain ammonia during the cycle. Your tank isn't going to face a frequent load of brown sugar that needs digesting (hopefully?) so you probably don't need to beef up those guys. (If you have excess brown sugar, you should send it to me, not give it to your tank...)ETA it'd be interesting to know if there were some microflora changes after feeding fruit that has sugars though, and whether all the microbes could coexist if you did it in small amounts. Doesn't Jake make a papaya mix of some kind? Or did I make that up? ETA2 found it! It was an old treat offering, recommended occasional feeding only. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff0712 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 There are at least some low sugar fruits like blackberries, rhubarb, and Limes to use so they at least don't add a high amount of sugar. However at that point I doubt it would even be worth the time, money and nutritional value to add them -Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddles Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I don't think sugars in a food would be bad if the food is eaten relatively quickly. If the food doesn't sit in the tank for a while then no bacteria build up?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pika 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 So here's a question. Do shrimp use sugars starches and carbs in food. Orbare they like fish and not use them. Duff0712 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I don't think sugars in a food would be bad if the food is eaten relatively quickly. If the food doesn't sit in the tank for a while then no bacteria build up? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The challenge is that there is always uneaten particles of food in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 ^ very true. I've even tried using food dishes. My shrimp drag it away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff0712 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 On the fun topic of food leaking into the tank. How beneficial do you think it would be to add some sort of tannin/humid acid to the food? I wouldn't think ingesting it would cause any harm, but may prove helpful? -Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 It very well could prove possible, sort of like a probiotic. But you would need to grind it up into a very very very fine powder for the shrimp to ingest it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddles Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Anyone know how to make a nice sized rectangular tablet like most of the prepared shrimp food comes? Jake's food is a nice example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff0712 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 My guess would be flattening it with a roller or squishing it down in a ziploc bag then cutting it. All speculation but I'm curious as well -Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Pasta extruder? Duff0712 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Guys, I wrote this article years back and I think it answers some of your questions: http://www.shrimpydaddy.com/p/how-to-made-home-cook-sinking-wafer-for.html Duff0712 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff0712 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Nice article I'm curious why you basically boiled the distilled then added the agar agar and potassium sorbate. I also like the idea of using distilled water And now all I can think about is pushing my shrimp food dough/paste through those playdough food kits hahaha -Duffy Edited July 7, 2014 by Duff0712 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Instead of using preservative, just keep it in the refrigerator or freezer. No?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Nice article I'm curious why you basically boiled the distilled then added the agar agar and potassium sorbate. I also like the idea of using distilled water And now all I can think about is pushing my shrimp food dough/paste through those playdough food kits hahaha -Duffy Agar agar only dissolve well when you cook it. Thus, you need to boil/double boil the water and continuously stirring it. If distilled water is not readily accessible, you can use RO water. Reason for me to use distilled water is to prevent microbe that is not filtered away from RO, just an addition precaution. With my method of preparation, my wafers are safe to keep up to a year. Usually, I will bake these wafer once or twice a year; my shrimps consume at least 120g of wafers every month. And now all I can think about is pushing my shrimp food dough/paste through those playdough food kits hahaha <---- I tried this by using those that use for making cookie or cake. However due to the stickiness of agar agar and the hardness of the dough (using lesser water is better), it is very hard to push them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Instead of using preservative, just keep it in the refrigerator or freezer. No?? Just use potassium sorbate. It is natural and breakdown pretty fast by bacteria into harmless substances. You can get it easily from online home-brewer shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Forgot to mention this. If you want to keep the food for long, you need to seal them in airtight bags. I seal them in those coated alu pack: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Where do you get those packs from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I got it locally. I think can be easily bought online. Just search for aluminum bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Do they have aluminum bags with a see through side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Hmm... Then may defeat the purpose of aluminum to prevent any light go through. In this case, you should just get a normal bag that has a window. In this case, you can save 3 times the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 All the bags have that rip away part to open them. How do you fill it and then close it? I don't want to have to buy a machine to use them. I want to put my food in roll it flat and then zip it and freeze it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddles Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 They do make aluminum bags that have one clear side, but like he said that defats the purpose of the aluminum bag - namely, that no light gets through. exposure to light degrades food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpy Daddy Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 All bags come unseal. You need a therma-sealer to seal it. I bought mine, which is those stationary version with higher power (the brand is Brothers, that printer brand), for about US$30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtletanks91 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'm. It concerned about light penetrating it as it will be a frozen food. I am familiar with the brand I'll look into that. I found tons of bags, but I'm not sure what a good size would be for a flat pack. 3x5. 4x6. 5x5 ??? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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