christinenha Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 You'll get it when you see their colors vs CRS/CBS. CRS/CBS are not the same species as OEBT's. They do interbreed, however, to produce tibees. Hrm. They are both Caridina cantonensis, and I thought the binomial name refers first to the genus, then the species. What I've read are that the two are different variations of the same species, kind of like different breeds of dogs. There are different variations of dogs (colors, sizes, etc.), but they are all the same species and can interbreed. (Please correct me if I'm wrong. I am no longer a biology major and a newbie at this shrimp thing.) >.< Also, what is the price of your Mischlings for local pick-up and your current tank parameters for them? =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANBU Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Once you go Taiwan bee you never go back Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk h4n and MN Shrimping 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 CRS/CBS and OEBT are both Caridina cf. cantonensis, with the difference being sp. Bee and sp. Blue Tiger respectively. They both have very different looks by nature and not through selected variety. To many people, by saying they are the same, they would assume you mean they are both started out looking the same and have been selectively bred into different vars. heh As you know, this was not the case. That's why the main way of referring to them by hobbyists are in the classification of "Bees" and "Tigers." Otherwise it's just too confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 i pm'ed you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miwu Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 You guys are right. Apparently they are the same species. Sigh at the "real science" that we know about shrimps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 They are different sp. tigers and crs did not start out looking the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christinenha Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Okay. I just remember learning that what separates a species from the rest is that they can interbreed and have viable/fertile offspring. So does sp. mean they are subspecies of Caridina cantonensis since cantonensis is the species? I'm just trying to understand this and am comparing them to animals I know more about. Would this be similar to how gray wolves in the wild are the same species but look different for various reasons (e.g., their geographic location, mutations, etc.), which divides them into subspecies of gray wolves like: Arctic wolves, Great Plains wolves, etc.? (I am in love with wolves.) Although the two wolves don't look the same, they are the same species that can be traced back to a common ancestor and can be selectively bred to produce two lines of different looking Arctic wolves and Great Plains wolves, which can still interbreed with each other to produce a hybrid fertile wolf of the same species but different feature variations? Maybe I'm overthinking this. I should've paid more attention in biology. -.- ctaylor3737 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soothing Shrimp Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I'd love to give you an answer on that, Christine, however both still have "cf" in the taxonomy. “Cf” means “confer” or “looks like”. When used after “Genus,” it's implying “this shrimp looks like this “Genus”, but aside from that, it has not been “identified.” Until more study is done on placing shrimp into the proper taxonomy, we're only working from educated guesses. christinenha and miwu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christinenha Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Ok. Gotcha. That actually does clear things up a lot. Thanks so much! ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctaylor3737 Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Okay. I just remember learning that what separates a species from the rest is that they can interbreed and have viable/fertile offspring. So does sp. mean they are subspecies of Caridina cantonensis since cantonensis is the species? I'm just trying to understand this and am comparing them to animals I know more about. Would this be similar to how gray wolves in the wild are the same species but look different for various reasons (e.g., their geographic location, mutations, etc.), which divides them into subspecies of gray wolves like: Arctic wolves, Great Plains wolves, etc.? (I am in love with wolves.) Although the two wolves don't look the same, they are the same species that can be traced back to a common ancestor and can be selectively bred to produce two lines of different looking Arctic wolves and Great Plains wolves, which can still interbreed with each other to produce a hybrid fertile wolf of the same species but different feature variations? Maybe I'm overthinking this. I should've paid more attention in biology. -.-Taiwan bees are sought after because its the next big thing. They have a solid and vivid color pattern that I've never seen in other shrimp, they can also interbreed with chances at other color patterns and new strains. Harder to take care of and dont breed as often hence the price. Anytime a new strain comes it fetches hundreds simply for supply and demand to keep it simple. christinenha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted October 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Ok down to about 60 red tigers and 20 mischlings get them while they last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 After a big shipping weekend I have maybe 2-3 packages of mischlings left after looking at the tanks and 5-6 red tiger packages after 11/13 sale ends and price goes back to reguaakar pricing Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadenlea Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Someone on TPT posted today lookign for mischlings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETAquarium Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Do you only sell the Red Tigers in packages of 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie1208 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Do you often have the Red Tigers? I am not ready now but will be in a couple of months. Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I have red tigers a bunch normal price on them Is 12$ If I don't sell through the rest before the 13th I might sell smaller groups but would be a little higher in price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elo500 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 What water Params do you keep the red tigers in? Anymore pumpkins left? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 7.2-7.4 gh 6-7 kh 1-2 tds 225-275 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elo500 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 What do you use to remineralize your ro to get those params? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 SS gh plus, blue diamond from Mk or nutrifin african ciclid conditioner. What ever is close. My tap is ph 7.0 gh 6-7 kh 1-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Sale is almost over. I will be shutting down shrimp sales for a while so I can prep for the move and get the tanks setup and everything ok Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbarbee54 Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Last of them is about 40 to 60 mischlings all red tigers sold, and all pumpkins are spoken for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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